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Written by Andreas Wiemer & Stephen Koschal   
Sunday, 20 July 2008

Presidential Land Grants - A Recent Discovery

By Andreas Wiemer & Stephen Koschal
 
Your mail arrives and you open an envelope containing an offer of a presidential land grant. The owner of the document states: “....the document is regarding land in the territory of Arkansas. The document is dated November 27, 1820.  This document was handed down to me from my grandfather. He was an avid collector who has donated his civil war collection to the Smithsonian Institute...”  The letter continues: “....the document is in nice condition but has been folded. It contains a very dark signature of the President of the United States, James Monroe. It is also countersigned by the Commissioner of the General Land Office, Josiah Meigs. I think $60.00 is a fair asking price.......”
 
There was no photocopy of the document enclosed however with such a description one really wasn’t necessary.  Even if you didn’t collect Land Grants signed by the Presidents, this $60.00 offering is a deal that can’t be passed up.  You could always send it to auction or use it in trade.
 
Just about anyone who collects U.S. Presidential signed items knows that Andrew Jackson was the first president to employ a secretary sign land grants.  This has been mentioned in almost every book written about signatures of the Presidents of the United States. In the section of Andrew Jackson in Robert Notlep’s 1968 book, The Autograph Collector, A New Guide states: “These (presidential signed land) grants were signed prior to 1833.  After that date, clerks were authorized to sign his name”.
 
Kenneth Rendell’s wonderful book History Comes To Life states: “...little or no effort was made to imitate the president’s signatures after secretaries were authorized to sign presidential land grants partway through Andrew Jackson’s administration”.
 
Charles Hamilton’s The Book of Autographs states: “The presidents from Andrew Jackson to Theodore Roosevelt employed secretaries to counterfeit their signatures on land grants. After 1834 no president personally signed such documents”.
 
In another one of Hamilton’s books  Collecting Autographs and Manuscripts  he writes: “...The Louisiana  Purchase set Madison and Monroe to driving the quill, signing tens of thousands of land grants for veterans who wished to settle in the new regions. Finally, Andrew Jackson rebelled and pout a stop to the Presidential stint of signing several hundred papers daily....”
 
Last but not least Hamilton states in his book Scribblers and Scoundrels: “The rash of Presidential proxies really began with Old Hickory back in 1834. Before the era of that doughty soldier, all Presidents had personally assumed the burden of signing the countless hundreds of routine documents which crossed their desk each week-land grants, ship’s papers, military appointments....”
 
Two weeks later, the package arrives containing the James Monroe signed land grant. Upon opening you are astonished to see that both the Meigs and Monroe signatures have clearly been signed by a secretary. See illustration below. We now know that James Monroe was the first president to employ a secretary to sign land grants.
 


Amazingly, upon further research, we discovered another James Monroe land grant also dated November 27, 1820. This one resides in the Seymour Library, Knox College in Galesburg, Illinois. This one contains genuine signatures of James Monroe and Josiah Meigs. Why Monroe signed one document and not the other on the same date remains a mystery.
 
 
Credit:

Andreas Wiemer, member of the Manuscript Society from Germany, author, presidential autograph collector and U.S. Presidents expert for www.isitreal.com
 
Stephen Koschal, long time member of the Manuscript Society and contributor to Manuscripts. Author of over 200 articles and books published on autograph collecting. Lecturer, autograph authenticator and court appointed autograph “expert witness”.


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A. McMasters  - Monroe signed Land grants for North Alabama   |74.179.212.xxx |2009-10-08 20:30:47
A friend and I have been trying to find out more about two land grants. The
grants are for land in Northern Alabama. We have gone to the county of the
grants and reseached the location. It is in an area known as Elkton, Alabama.
We are trying to find out just how much the grants are worth for insurance and
possilble sale of the land grants. The grants are in great condition, they are
not folded, and the signatures are very visible. Any information given would be
greatly appreciated, even if it is not just about the grants. We LOVE history
and old stories of times gone by. Thank you for your time and hope to hear from
you all soon.
A. McMasters
Herman Darvick  - Koschal & Wiemer are Wrong!   |216.175.175.xxx |2010-04-01 16:01:21
On March 2, 1833, President AndrewJackson sent to the Senate his nomination of
"Andrew J. Donelson to be the secretary authorized under the act
'prescribing the mode by which patents for public lands shall be signed and
executed,' approved March 2, 1833." After that date, Presidents no longer
were required by law to sign land grants. Commissioners, however, were still
required by law to sign land grants. Regarding the James Monroe land grant: if a
land grant was lost by the recipient, upon application, a duplicate would be
issued and filled out according to the records of the Land Office,
"signatures" included. That's why both Meigs and Monroe's signtures were
signed by the same person who filled in the blanks on the rest of the document.
As usual, Stephen Koschal is wrong.
a g hill  - land patent   |24.234.101.xxx |2010-06-09 20:39:36
have signed land patent issued by theodore roosevelt dated 1906. any idea of
value?
ed parent  - Mine is from 1903   |67.83.2.xxx |2010-12-01 06:08:09
I also hav a land patent issued 1903 and am interested if any value
Charles Megaswing   |64.12.116.xxx |2010-12-09 15:25:50
I am not sure of the value but was recently told that John Quincy adams
signature was valuable.
James Williams  - Land Grant signed by Roosevelt   |68.57.223.xxx |2010-07-21 21:05:24
Looking for value, I am meeting someone at 7pm today, and trying to buy it.
Charles Megaswing  - Friend of owner   |64.12.116.xxx |2010-12-04 15:42:04
We have in our posession a land grant signed by John Quincy Adams, president
of
the United States, signed 24th of April, 1820.
We are interested in selling it
to high bidder or to a collector.
Please notify me asap.
Thank you
Charles
Megaswing
Herman Darvick  - John Quincy Adams   |74.89.33.xxx |2011-05-31 11:08:13
John Quincy Adams was not President of the Unites Sattes in 1820; James Monroe
was President. JQA was Secretary of State.
bill tomey  - land grant documents   |76.181.194.xxx |2011-05-19 20:48:04
i have a lnd grant document signed by president MONROE dated feb third in the
year 1780 with the presidential seal on it. can u please tell me what it may
be worth?
Herman Darvick  - Monroe wasn't President in 1780   |74.89.33.xxx |2011-05-30 16:00:35
On February 3, 1780, James Monroe was a 19-year-old law student.
bill tomey  - veterasn USAF   |76.181.194.xxx |2011-05-21 19:34:59
OPEN FOR BIDS ON SAID DOCUMENT. I WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO TURN DOWN ANY OFFER I
FEEL NOT SUITABLE THANK YOU BILL T,
bill tomey  - land grant   |76.181.194.xxx |2011-05-21 19:53:17
will consider all offers,but i will have final say
bill tomey  - land grant   |76.181.194.xxx |2011-05-23 15:33:10
land grant dated and signed by president MONROE dated feb 11th 1819. it does
have the presidential seal on it
Ken  - land grants   |70.188.230.xxx |2011-09-18 02:07:27
I have two Ohio grants. One signed by Monroe and one by Jackson. 1820 and 1830.
both are in very good shape. What is the value.
Janey Keaton  - A. VanBuren Landgrant   |173.87.7.xxx |2011-10-15 17:36:30
I have a landgrant signed by A. VanBuren dated March 18, 1837. I found one on
the internet for 99 and would like to find out the value of this one as I
would like to sell it. Also, how would I contact an auction house to get it
auctioned?
Crystal Keester  - 1906 Land Grant with Theodore Rosevelt signature s   |24.225.125.xxx |2011-10-22 18:53:01
I have a land grant signed by Theodore Rosevelt and signed by the secretary
dated october 20, 1906 to charles brave heart an indian of the pine ridge sioux.
I was wondering if this document is real and who charles brave heart is and what
the value is?
J.B.  - Land Grant   |71.105.118.xxx |2012-01-13 04:19:09
I have a land grant issued to a relative of mine for service in the war of 1812.
It has been handed down through the generations and now to me. It was signed by
President James Madison on 01-20-1814.
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